BBC Show Engages In Chaotic, Rambling 9/11 Truth Debunk-Fest
Alex Jones faded out of uninformed "debate"
whenever he raised salient points
A Popular BBC talk radio show yesterday engaged in 45 minutes
of uninformed debunking and ridicule of "9/11 conspiracy
theories", interspersing questions over the official government
version of events on 9/11 with barely intelligible members of
the public talking about fake moon landings and Joan of Arc not
actually being burned at the stake.
Alex Jones was invited onto the Richard Bacon show
on BBC Radio Five Live, the BBC's talk radio station, but could
barely get a word in edgewise before being faded out of the discussion
and countered by a series of debunkers, two of whom frequently
admitted to knowing very little about what was being discussed.
"Everybody stop, I don't know what the hell
anyone is talking about" announced presenter Richard Bacon
after the first few minutes, a statement which accurately summarized
the total lack of awareness the debunkers had of any subject Alex
Jones attempted to bring before them.
Alex was the sole "conspiracy theorist"
(read: informed individual) up against three other debunkers,
Rudin, producer of the BBC Conspiracy Files series,
the show responsible for a poorly researched and bias hit piece
against the 9/11 truth movement last year.
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"It depends, I don't know, I haven't looked
into it in real detail" was the stable response of both the
studio guests to Alex's detailed rants about events such as the
attack on the USS
Liberty and the Gulf
of Tonkin incident, both now corroborated as staged
false flag events by declassified government documents, as well
as the infamous green lighted Operation
Citing the Iran-Contra affair and the Watergate
scandal, one debunker stated "They were found out, people
were punished, why is this not happening with the 9/11 conspiracy?"
seemingly unaware of the huge progress the 9/11 truth movement
has made over the past six years and the public statements of
support for the movement from hundreds of engineers, scholars
and former government and intelligence officials.
"No evidence has been given for 9/11"
the debunker continued, while Alex, trying to counter and give
evidence of a cover up, was faded out.
The two debunkers are clearly unaware of the basic
fact that there would not have even been a 9/11 Commission, totally
lacking though it was, had it not been for activists demanding
explanations to unanswered questions.
The conversation eventually moved on to WTC building
7 after one surprisingly intelligible caller broached the subject.
After Mike Rudin announced that the BBC would soon
be releasing a new documentary devoted to Building 7, presumably
given that they completely omitted
the topic in their last hit piece, a strange new
debunker was introduced as Ronald Wieck.
Mr Wieck was introduced as a broadcaster in New
York and "a well known 9/11 conspiracy theory debunker".
Wieck attempted to counter revelations that the
had reported the collapse of building 7 a full 26
minutes before it's actual fall by suggesting that everyone had
expected the building to collapse from fire damage for hours before
it did. This claim does not hold up when put into context with
statements from firefighters, reporters and first responders on
the ground who have stated that they had to literally
run for their lives when a 20
second demolition countdown began and the building
Wieck and the other debunkers also attempted to
suggest we believe the BBC were somehow "in on the conspiracy"
and were specifically approached and fed with a "script of
events" on 9/11 because, according to Mike Rudin, laughable
though this opinion is, it is the media outlet most opposed to
George W. Bush.
While others within the truth movement may have
postulated this, we have not stated we believe this to be the
case. Given that CNN, AP wires and radio stations were also reporting
the collapse before it occurred, it is clear the BBC were not
"hand picked" to read a script, by whoever carried out
the attacks. Furthermore, the fact that BBC
anchor Phil Hayton was recently shocked to learn
of the pre-collapse reports, also suggests a more general announcement
of the building's impending destruction was announced.
Wieck also accused Alex Jones of lying when he said
that firefighters had told people to get back because they building
was going to be "brought down". Multiple witnesses
to this, and we even have video
of firefighters stating "get back, the building
is about to blow up". NIST has even promised
to examine the claims of explosives in 7 in it's
official report, finally due out this summer.
As Alex was faded out Wieck stated "you are
not telling the truth, the firemen did not say it was being brought
down in a controlled demolition, that is an outright falsehood"
and accused Alex of saying that firefighters were complicit in
the destruction of the world trade center buildings, a claim that
we have never made and is clearly preposterous given the loss
of life suffered amongst fire crews in the towers.
As Alex was again faded down, the debunkers contradicted
their earlier assertions that fire caused the collapse of 7, by
suggesting that there was critical damage from the falling debris
of the towers which gouged out huge chunks of the building causing
it to later collapse straight down into it's own footprint in
6 seconds, a contention that is neither supported by witness statement,
nor substantial photographic evidence nor by any official statement
Wieck also weakly attempted to frame the debate
on the fact that 1800
degree molten steel was found under all three collapsed buildings.
Given that it is undeniable that Molten steel was present, "Wick"
attempted to shift the focus of the issue by stating that explosives
could not cause heat strong enough to cause molten steel and that
you can "place your hand" on an area where a shape charge
has been set off.
According to engineering and physics experts, including
former Brigham Young professor Steven Jones, buildings not destroyed
by explosives would have insufficient directed energy to produce
the large quantities of melted metal that was discovered. The
molten steel was found five days after the collapse,
on Sept. 16, when the National Aeronautics and Space Administration
(NASA) used an Airborne Visible/Infrared Imaging Spectrometer
(AVIRIS) to locate and measure the site’s hot spots.
The USGS Spectroscopy Lab produced images which
showed dense thermal hot spots days and weeks after the attacks.
News reported that, "the temperature at the
core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees Fahrenheit,
according to fire officials, who add that the fires are too deep
for firefighters to get to."
It requires temperatures of at least 2800 degrees
fahrenheit to melt steel. Steel supports were "partly evaporated,"
but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit
to evaporate steel. The fires in Building 7, fueled by office
furniture and small amounts of debris alone could not have reached
temperatures anywhere close to this, indicating that extra explosive
and/or reactionary forces were responsible for the molten steel
and raging underground fires.
Any rational person who listened to this chaotic
exchange will have gone away wanting to hear more from Alex Jones,
who draws his knowledge and discussion points from the study of
history, declassified government archives, expert analysis and
mainstream reports, rather than take heed from the total lack
of any insight whatsoever from the two studio guests and the strange
accusatory tone and debate framing of Mr Wieck.
TO THE FULL BBC "DEBATE" HERE
Note: Originally this article stated the BBC debate
involved Guy Smith, producer of BBC's "Conspiracy Files"
series, in actual fact the debunker was Mike Rudin, another producer
of the same series.
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